Hi there, I'm hoping the demonland community can help me settle some debates I have been having with some people recently.  Basically I've said that there are double standards in the way the club has been treated in the media particularly towards the end of last season.  Some of it was warranted - there were a lot of problems as we know.  However there was also a pile-on mentality the saw us hounded for things that wouldn't rate a mention at other clubs.

Are people able to direct me to articles which point out some of these things - from memory some of the things that come to mind are:

1. there have been players so drunk / so under the influence that they were carried out of nightclubs etc and it barely rated a mention and the club was still held in high regard in terms of culture. 
2. There was excuses given for clubs injuries etc. 
3. There's the amount of $$ given to other vic clubs for their facilities from state and fed governments (has someone collate this somewhere)
4. Attendance at games - which team has great numbers at games in the middle of winter against small interstate clubs when they're not in contention?

I'm sure there's other categories.

This isn't intended to encourage a woe is me mentality - it's more to have a place where we can set the record straight.

Mate there is a whole website dedicated to this.
https://demonland.com/

 

It's also great for training reports

Yes, don't look at Geelong, their culture is "excellent" 🤥😬

It’s been our turn for a little while and it’s probably helped straighten us up to be honest. Someone else will be next, let’s see what happens if the Bulldogs have a rough start, same could be said of Carlton and Essendon - it will all blow over.

6 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Yes, don't look at Geelong, their culture is "excellent" 🤥😬

Someone been a naughty boy down there 

Some of the things that I've read and said were fantastically horrible to and from our media, and i am not sure that they are turning over a new leaf enough to fiendishly go after another Club. Should we be accepting of them to move on or not. I'm just not sure...

5 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

 

1. there have been players so drunk / so under the influence that they were carried out of nightclubs etc and it barely rated a mention and the club was still held in high regard in terms of culture. 

Tyson Stengle: so hammered he had to be hospitalised

5 hours ago, deelusions from afar said:

1. there have been players so drunk / so under the influence that they were carried out of nightclubs etc and it barely rated a mention and the club was still held in high regard in terms of culture. 
2. There was excuses given for clubs injuries etc. 
3. There's the amount of $$ given to other vic clubs for their facilities from state and fed governments (has someone collate this somewhere)
4. Attendance at games - which team has great numbers at games in the middle of winter against small interstate clubs when they're not in contention?

 

Can't forget the Shaw and Didak show.  And remember, Collingwood kept them, but sacked the guy who came out to pick them up and get them home safely.  

By the sounds of things Geelong are not so squeaky clean….

4 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

By the sounds of things Geelong are not so squeaky clean….

Culture.

1 hour ago, DemonWheels said:

It’s been our turn for a little while and it’s probably helped straighten us up to be honest. Someone else will be next, let’s see what happens if the Bulldogs have a rough start, same could be said of Carlton and Essendon - it will all blow over.

Carlton, Port Adelaide and the Dogs are being lined up for a serve of cold pie if things go souf.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

Tyson Stengle: so hammered he had to be hospitalised

Jeez you wouldn't have known it even happened.

Dwayne, Gerard Whateley and their merry men of Geelong supporting friends in the media were kept to silence.

There was very minimal engage at all in phone talk back and completely shut off oxygen to this occurrence.

If ****n makes people sick to the guts.

It's never going to be fair. Some teams have more money, better facilities and/or more supporters. Maybe in hindsight back in the early 80s I should have chosen Carlton, Essendon or Hawthorn. But I didn't! And anyway it was easier to have the same club as my family and more easily  get to games with them before being able to go alone (and really for well over 20 years two of those other teams have been really frustrating anyway.)

So I couldn't be bothered dwelling on this. It's not a big deal if other Dee supporters finds tons of evidence. But other teams' supporters will take note of proof for a minute and then just go back to their lives ....or social media distractions and you've much more time on this for so little. Easier said than done but I'd rather enjoy Melbourne's good times, shrug off the bad and have 'neutral' times where I'm enjoying something non-footy related.

You are going to get an unbiased response to this on Demonland 🙄

We got clobbered for this stuff because we couldn’t keep it quiet (all clubs vary in success with this at different times) and because we were so god damn up our own arses after 2021 with the culture stuff.

When you make yourself a pious target on a pedestal - Australian media is going to do what society wants them to do - bring you down from on high.

The biggest problem with the biased reporting against us - and I agree we have been a popular whipping boy for a couple of years now- is that certain posters here treat it as showing that we are in dire straits, overlooking the fact that  bad  behaviour occurs at every club and we are largely no better and no worse than others.

BTW can someone change the heading of this thread? I don't know how to, but it should be hypocrisy.

11 minutes ago, rpfc said:

You are going to get an unbiased response to this on Demonland 🙄

We got clobbered for this stuff because we couldn’t keep it quiet (all clubs vary in success with this at different times) and because we were so god damn up our own arses after 2021 with the culture stuff.

When you make yourself a pious target on a pedestal - Australian media is going to do what society wants them to do - bring you down from on high.

Yeah the difference between how we handle controversy vs Geelong is pretty stark. We leak and constantly defend ourselves in the media, keeping the stories alive and adding fuel to the fire. When the Stengel thing happened Geelong basically just straight-batted it and shut up the shop.

From the heading I thought this was going to be about the Collingwood ran MRO and the tribunal. 

7 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Jeez you wouldn't have known it even happened.

Dwayne, Gerard Whateley and their merry men of Geelong supporting friends in the media were kept to silence.

There was very minimal engage at all in phone talk back and completely shut off oxygen to this occurrence.

If ****n makes people sick to the guts.

Right? This incident is very serious but barely a mention publicly and even then it was just a short mention on the 6pm news, then crickets and tumbleweeds. Now, if that was one of our boys…

13 hours ago, illbarto said:

Mate there is a whole website dedicated to this.
https://demonland.com/An

 

And rather than repeating the overwhelming bad news, negative comments and assorted sensationalism so anointed, we are thereby forced to suck it all up and contain our discontent - sad, huh?

2 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Right? This incident is very serious but barely a mention publicly and even then it was just a short mention on the 6pm news, then crickets and tumbleweeds. Now, if that was one of our boys…

The sporting media has always been full of double standards so what ?

I think you are just encouraging a continued paranoia at Demonland that everyone is out to get us. This can tend to mask real problems at the Club.

We just need to focus inwardly.

5 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

The sporting media has always been full of double standards so what ?

I think you are just encouraging a continued paranoia at Demonland that everyone is out to get us. This can tend to mask real problems at the Club.

We just need to focus inwardly.

When you look at your notifications and those dreaded four words appear: ‘Cranky Franky quoted you’ and he doesn’t disappoint, ie. your dread is not unfounded. 

I find most articles about the Dees reinforce the negative by chronicling the club's issues in pretty much every article. For instance, the last two articles by Jake Niall in The Age, while making some 'nice' remarks about the preseason, then goes on to list our woes from last year and beyond. Caroline Wilson does it in every article - and they're two of the better journos!

I'm still waiting to hear why half of Collingwood's staff left last year!

35 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

When you look at your notifications and those dreaded four words appear: ‘Cranky Franky quoted you’ and he doesn’t disappoint, ie. your dread is not unfounded. 

Nice to see that you are keeping to the issue & not resorting to personal attacks (unlike some on this forum).