stuie
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Mate, no one is arguing about Viney wanting Wines. Emma's article is not a phantom draft but a talent list, can't you tell the difference? As for Shifter, did you miss this bit: "Who wants him: The Giants will take the South Australian with one of their first three choices and he wouldn't be out of place as the top choice. They say: "Has super ability to break the lines with his pace and agility, is also able to then finish with neat foot skills.""
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Also Ignition, here's a few pre-2012 draft lists that aren't based on club gossip and just talent. Emma Quayle 2012 Talent List (Note who's at number 4) Shifter's Top 2012 Draft Prospects Widely considered the best judge of talent around, he had Toumpas at number 3. Let's stop the revisionism and realize we took Toumpas exactly where he should have gone based on pre-draft info.
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Insightful post, top work! I don't think anyone is arguing against the whole Neeld overrule thing though are they? The phantom drafts were posted in reference to people saying we've taken so many "shock draft picks" where we've pulled something out of left field and not taken the player we were expected to with that pick. It's revisionism of the highest order to say Wines was always rated higher than Toumpas pre-draft, as some posters have suggested, especially given Wines' eventual draft order.
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It's scary, we're agreeing. Might be the apocalypse...
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Really? Not according to pretty much everyone that isn't just using hindsight... Herald Sun 2012 Phantom Draft AFL.com 2012 Phantom Draft Knightmares 2012 Phantom Draft Emma Quayle's 2012 Phantom Draft Take note of who ALL of them have us taking at number 4 and where Wines is in relation to that.
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1. Do you even realize how rigorous the interview/profiling process is for draftees? 2. You said: "welcome to the AFL - I hope you're not into getting drunk with your mates cos that's over for the next 10-15 years" Which clearly indicates you're saying it would be a surprise to them. 3. Do you understand what the word "average" means? It basically means "most common", so less than 3 years is the "most common" career time span, not just for those that "wash out". 4. Seriously if you think the social life of an AFL footballer is something that suffers due to their career you must have never been to a club/pub/bar/restaurant in your life.
Firstly, you'd think very few kids who have come through the system and been dedicated enough to make it to the elite level that is AFL would value getting drunk with their mates more than their football career. Secondly, it would hardly come as a surprise to them that that is the level of professionalism expected. Third, the average AFL career is less than 3 years. Forth, would hardly think the social life of an AFL footballer is something that deserves sympathy.
Exactly what I've been talking about here in this article... "This week, Sharks hooker Michael Ennis – who is about to play his 14th season of NRL – told the Big Sports Breakfast: "Throughout my whole career, and still to this day, when I go to training the people that the club employ … I have trust in those guys. Some people might call it naïve or whatever, but that's just what we do as professional athletes. Throughout my career, I place my trust in all of those people and I have never had any problems.""
I think their careers are their incentive. Both Carlisle and Melksham still have a fair few years left in them after serving their ban, and both have contracts that extend past this year. You're right about the AFL not comprehending the situation fully yet though. I reckon it's hit the players and that famous trust between player and coach is now a thing of the past, but possibly the coaches, admin and anyone in AFL leadership will only understand over time where they see that the trust has gone.
Don't think "completely cold" is accurate WYL. Maybe if they were 18 year olds brand new into the system, but Carlisle (and Melksham) have been around long enough to know what their fitness, dietary and training requirements are and should be able to keep it up off their own bat. Notwithstanding the fact that you would expect them to, at the very least, hire a personal trainer for the duration. Not so sure on Carlisle, but Melksham strikes me as the sort of person that would feel like he'd have something to prove in 2017 and that he owes us.
Yeah I get that. The context in which I was using those examples was the posters saying we might as well delist Melksham seeing he's going to miss a year. At 24, he still has plenty to offer us when he comes back and should be able to give us years of service, so seems silly to me to "cut our losses" as some put it.
Haha oh you're so reading my mind "Curry & Beer".... I actually take a grown up approach to it and say that he did the wrong thing, he's copping his punishment and then I look forward to him coming back and contributing to the MFC. You can keep your temper tantrums, fist shaking and moral superiority to the confines of the playground.
